Monday, April 22, 2013

Response to Andrea: Annette Laureau's "Watching, Waiting, and Deciding"

This is Andrea's post, a reflection on Laureau's work: "At first the discussion of Mrs. Marshall in the Annette Lareau piece “Watching, Waiting, and Deciding when to Intervene: Race, Class, and the Transmission of Advantage” was a bit irritating. The first couple of examples of her intervening just seems a bit much, and appeared to showcase a sense of entitlement that she had and that she was potentially instilling in to her daughters. However, as the article went on I began to question whether that was truly a sense of entitlement at all. A middle-class Black mother may feel as if she can speak up when she feels her children are possibly being discriminated against, her feeling as if she has a voice that can be listened to may be something that’s been socialized thanks to her class standing. But, the act of speaking up in this case does not highlight a sense of entitlement at all. If anything, it speaks to a situation of dispossession. Her children are potentially being discriminated against simply for existing in Black bodies and the middle-class Black mother probably only sees a few choices. Either allow this potential discrimination to continue and potentially case trauma to the child (or expose the child to a racist world that the mother does not want to child to see quite yet), or speak up and run the risk of being deemed the “Angry Black Woman” or overbearing mother. The mother in this case is more than likely just trying to protect her child for as long as possible from the cruelty that exists in society. I only wish that the article was able to explore gender a bit more deeply. There was a brief discussion of the fact that for the families studied the mothers always had their hands in their children’s education far more than the father. It was interesting that this existed across race lines. I could have missed when this was discussed, but is it also the same over class lines? When we find something so prevalent that crosses several lines of “classes” (in the ‘group’ sense) does that make it easier for us to pinpoint the root of the issue? In this case the argument could easily be made that it’s clearly an issue with roots in gender difference/gender roles, because of the way in which the phenomena exists across race lines and potentially across class lines."

I'd like to respond to a couple of different points here. Firstly, I hear Andrea's point on the "sense of entitlement" issue, however, I'd like to play devil's advocate. I think it's common and justified for minorities to take a more radical stand against oppression, whether they do it from an internalized place of oppression or do it consciously to set an example for younger people, specifically women, around them. Personally, I know that I've done some pretty outrageous things in front of my ten year old sister even when it's put me in harms way against some kind of sexism/violence, consciously hoping that I'll set an example for her that tells her she has more agency than I've had in my lifetime. Does that make sense? Although I hear the point that perhaps this is socialized, and can be moot. In the case of discrimination, specifically, I think that the children experience a sense of trauma regardless of the actions of the mother and her response to that discrimination- experiencing oppression with or without language for it is traumatic on some level no matter what the circumstances.

I agree with Andrea and think it's an excellent point regarding the maternal/paternal involvement in education of children transcending lines of race and class. Andrea, do you refute Kahlil's ideas about being Black being the center of oppression? Issues such as this, rape and domestic violence make me wonder sometimes about that. While I identify as an intersectionalist and believe all oppressions are systemic and cannot be put into a hierarchy or separated out, sometimes I consider issues such as this and think to myself: women make up more than half of the planet, yet we live in patriarchy almost universally and mothers experience some of the most intimate oppression there is across race and class lines...given this...if this oppression was abolished, doesn't it only make sense that other oppressions would be forced to become untangled because of the massive size of the oppressed population? After all, it impacts the most amount of people on the planet...thoughts?

2 comments:

  1. I think it's strange to ask me if I refute Khalil's idea given that I've provided no hint that I do (whereas you do, so perhaps you meant that you believe Khalil's point is off and are asking whom I agree with more? Either way, it's quite an awkward position to put me in)

    I generally believe that there more often than not centering Blackness adds complexity to a discussion and can potentially lead to new answers (as well as bring up new questions).
    We know that in the case of Blackness there's particular gender oppression for both men and women.

    Black and Brown folk also make up more than half of the planet and they live in White supremacy almost universally.
    White supremacy and anti-Blackness doesn't only exist in communities where White folk exist. And Whiteness, as well as Blackness, isn't simply phenotypical. Whiteness exists in Black & Brown countries where there are few to no White people. Neo-colonialism, neo-enslavement, is powerful.

    Centering Blackness doesn't dismiss the specificity of oppression to women. In fact, many of the theorists that write about "the Black" tend to use 'her' as a pronoun, which is often a nod to the idea of Black women as the ultimate abject. Again, I stress that centering Blackness **does not** dismiss the oppression to women nor other groups. It's unfortunate if it has been perceived this way.

    Abolishing patriarchy doesn't do anything about White supremacy.
    See Lorde:
    Some problems we share as women, some we do not. You fear your children will grow up to join the patriarchy and testify against you, we fear our children will be dragged from a car and shot down in the street, and you will turn your backs upon the reasons they are dying.

    Abolishing the patriarchy erases the first part of the quote. It does nothing to address Black and brown death.

    The theorists who 'center Blackness' don't just call for an abolishing of a white Supremacist/Anti-Black system but rather all systems that encourage abjection. It's a burning down of everything; all of these hegemonic ideals.

    Also, using the example of domestic violence and rape opens the door to bring up statistics, particularly within the context of the United States, that highlights the disproportional rates in which these atrocities occur in the Black community.

    The afterlife of slavery is not just in the US & Caribbean. The African diaspora spans far and wide. I point this out to buffer critiques of a US-centered analysis.

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